I had another a massive debate on Twitter last night about Christianity.
I often get asked, as I was last night by Marketing_Queen: “You seem really, really bitter about the whole Christianity thing. Any reason?”
I explain that I”m not bitter about Christians at all. I don’t hate Christians. Some of my closest friends are Christians. What I am fighting against the is philosophy of Christianity, the belief system, that tells people it is okay to believe in mythological beings, ignore scientific evidence and that anyone who disagrees with you deserves an eternity of punishment and torture.
Don’t you find it terrifying that in the 21st century, the overwhelming majority of people living in Western countries, who have had access to education and science for hundreds of years, still believe in invisible mythical beings? Should it not worry us that, instead of looking for rational explanations of the creation and functioning of the universe, they still cling blindly to ancient and primitive concepts?
I also often asked why I’m picking on Christianity and not going after Islam or Scientology. The answer is simple – Christianity is the largest religion on the planet. It is also the dominant religion in the Western countries, the so-called “civilized” world. We should know better! If the educated, civilized people of the world still believe in invisible beings, what hope do we have?
I’m often told that I’m just as bad as Christians, that I am an “evangelical atheist” and that I am just as intolerant of Christianity as some Christians are of non-Christians. To these charges I happily confess. Yes – I am intolerant of delusional thinking. Yes – I believe that rational thinking and the search for facts based on the scientific method, is far superior to belief in mythical beings. Yes – I am happily “evangelical” about this position.
I am often scolded and told that being intolerant of someone’s beliefs is disrespectful. I usually respond that I see no good reason to respect someone’s beliefs if they are dangerous and destructive beliefs.
If someone believes in child pornography, should I be tolerant of that belief?
If someone believes in human sacrifice, should I be tolerant of that belief?
If someone believes in slavery, should I be tolerant of that belief?
I think we will all agree that not all beliefs are worthy of respect or tolerance. I happen to include Christianity in that list of beliefs.
Of course, it is quite ironic to hear someone saying Christians, of all people, should be provided with a level of tolerance towards their beliefs.
From the time the Christian church aligned itself with the Roman Emperor Constantine in the early 4th Century, right through to modern times, Christianity has been guilty of more intolerance and violence than any other belief system in human history.
It started in earnest in 312 CE, when Constantine issued edicts to crush all “idolatry” – the Christian term for non-Christian beliefs. (Source: The Life of the Blessed Emperor Constantine, Eusebius of Caesarea – CHAPTER XLVIII). From that moment on, the Christian church had the basis for their attempted destruction of all competitive belief systems across the Roman Empire and, over the course of the next 1500 years, the world.
Let’s start by looking at their track record in their first century alone:
* 326 Constantine orders destruction of temples of Greek love goddess Aphrodite in Jerusalem and Phoenicia.
* 335 Constantine orders death by crucifixion of magicians and soothsayers in Asia Minor and Palestine.
* 341 Emperor Flavius Julius Constantius orders execution or imprisonment of soothsayers.
* 354 Constantius orders closure of all pagan temples in Christendom and that some are profaned by being turned into brothels.
* 356 Constantius orders death penalty for all forms of worship involving idolatry or sacrifices.
* 357 Constantius bans all forms of divination, excluding astrology.
* 359 Christianity’s first death camp is established at Skythopolis, Syria; 1000s of gentiles are exterminated over 30 year period.
* 363 Council of Laodicea names 26 New Testament books as “inspired word of God”; Book of Revelation is excluded.
* 364 Council of Laodicea decrees death for Christians who keep seventh day Sabbath.
* 364 Emperor Flavius Jovianus orders burning of Library of Antioch.
* 364 Three Imperial edicts order confiscation of all pagan temple properties and punishment by death for participation in any form of pagan ritual.
* 372-444 Emperor Valens orders extermination of Manichaean Christian sect for preaching non-Nicean doctrines; numerous thousands persecuted over 70 year period.
* 389 Great library of Alexandria, described as centre of Western Culture, is destroyed by Christian mobs; 700,000 ancient rolls are burned.
* 395 Theodosius introduces law making paganism criminal offence and orders banning of pagan events including Olympic Games.
* 397-399 Emperor Arcadius orders destruction of almost all pagan temples.
* 398 Fourth Council of Carthage forbids bishops from reading pagan books.
Not a bad start.
We don’t have room for a blow-by-blow account, but you can read either the “Christian Crimeline” site (http://www.buckcash.com/opinions/temp/Christian_Crimeline.htm) or the excellent book “The Faith; A History of Christianity” by Brian Moynahan more a detailed list.
Let’s just touch for the moment on the highlights. Here are “Christianity’s Greatest Hits”:
* 529 Justinian the Great closes Athens’ famous 1000-year-old School of Philosophy, declaring it paganistic and threatening to Christian thought.
* c590 Gregory condemns education for all but clergy resulting in society remaining illiterate for almost 1000 years.
* c590 Gregory forbids laypeople from reading Bible and orders burning of Palatine Apollo library so its secular literature would not distract religious.
* 640 Christians destroy Gnostic Basilades, Porphyry’s 36 volumes, writings of 27 mystery schools and 270,000 documents collected by Ptolemy Philadelphus.
* 694 Fifth council of Toledo orders enslavement of Jews, their property confiscated and children forcibly baptised.
* 777 Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne beheads 4500 Saxon rebels in one morning for refusing to convert to Christianity.
* 1095-9 Urban II (1088-99) calls for European knights to march on Jerusalem under Christian umbrella to wrest Holy Land from Turkish Muslims. Jews and dark-skinned Christians also targets. 4,000,000 to 7,000,000 Muslims and 12,000 Jews die.
* 1146-8 Pope Eugenius III (1145-53) calls for holy war on Muslims at Edessa; St Bernard of Clairvaux declares: “The Christian glories in the death of the pagan because thereby Christ himself is glorified”.
* 1187-92 Pope Gregory VIII (1187) declares holy war on Muslims in Jerusalem as well as on pagans, Cathars and Jews in Europe and England; many communities sacked and destroyed. One million people die.
* 1198-1216 Innocent III declares “anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity”.
* c1204 Innocent III orders Jews to wear distinctive clothing for easy identification; during Passion Week Jews are refused sale of food in hope of starving them.
* 1208-38 1,000,000 Albigensians (Cathars) perish in south of France after Innocent III launches holy war described as one of history’s most terrible campaigns.
* 1215 Lateran Council decides on death penalty becoming Canon Law for all cases of heresy.
* 1231 Gregory IX issues papal bull decreeing burning of heretics and other church enemies as standard penalty.
* 1231 Holy Inquisition denies right of counsel and replaces common law tradition of “innocent until proven guilty” with “guilty until proven innocent”.
* 1232 The Holy Inquisition starts which over 500 years see 35,534 individuals burned during Inquisition; 18,637 more are burned in effigy while 293,533 receive other Inquisitional punishments.
* 1234 Church orders massacre of between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children at Altenesch, Germany, for refusing to pay suffocating church taxes.
* 1272 Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) publishes Summa Theologica which lays foundations for witchcraft trials by claiming men and women can have sexual intercourse with demons. Estimated 9,000,000 witches, mostly women, are burned by Catholics and Protestants until 1894 when last European witch is executed.
* 1431-67 Vlad “The Impaler” Dracula, described as Eastern Europe’s greatest Christian defender, slaughters 200,000 Muslims, many by impalement, during 3 reigns.
* 1472 1000s of Jews, Muslims and Protestants are cruelly murdered after Sixtus IV establishes Spanish Inquisition in 1472.
* 1481-1517 13,000 are burned in 36 years during Spanish Inquisition; 17,000 are burned in effigy and 290,000 tortured, imprisoned or bankrupted.
* 1482 White traders begin transporting black slaves from Africa to Christian world.
* 1492 150,000 Spanish Jews receive orders to either convert to Christianity or face expulsion from fear of “contaminating society”.
* 1492 150,000,000 North American Indians are enslaved, exported or killed in name of Christ over centuries at hands of Spanish and English explorers and pilgrims.
* 1493 Papal bull declares church under king Ferdinand is entitled to all land in South America: “If the Indians refuse, he may quite legally fight them, kill them and enslave them, just as Joshua enslaved the inhabitants of Canaan.
* 1493 30,000,000 Aztecs and Mayans die over years as Spanish conquistadors proselytise Christian faith.
* c1534 Henry VIII crowns himself King of Ireland, thereby starting centuries of civil unrest after imposing Church of England on Irish Catholics.
* 1618-48 War lasting 30 years erupts between Catholics and Protestants in Germany, France, England, Sweden and Denmark. 14,000,000 people die in Germany alone.
* 1619-1860 4,000,000 African slaves are shipped by Christians to North America aboard “the good ship Jesus Christ” between 1619 and 1860.
* 1623-44 Urban VIII imprisons Galileo after ordering him to retract “damnable heresy” that earth revolves around sun.
* 1648 200,000 Jews are slain during Christian massacres at Chmielnitzki, Poland.
* 1715 100,000s of French Huguenots (Protestants) flee France after Catholic King Louis XIV bans Protestant faith in France.
* c1720 100,000 Polish Jews are slaughtered in 300 communities before Ukraine is wrested from Catholics by Orthodox Russians.
* 1770 Christians arrive in Australia and proceed to steal the land from the natives.
* 1796 – 1815 The Christians rulers of England, Russia, Prussia and Austria wage a series of wars against France in an attempt to return Christian rule after the French Revolution abolishes the power and corruption of the church in France. Millions die.
* c1840 Explorer Paul Strzlecki claims 1000s of Australian aborigines are slaughtered for refusing to embrace Christianity.
* 1844 Australia introduces Protection of Children Act permitting church missionaries to “steal” aboriginal children for placement in white Christian homes.
* c1890 200,000 people die after Protestant forces move into Armenia causing civil unrest between Catholic and Orthodox Christians.
* 1914-18 Bertrand Russell denounces WWI as wholly Christian in origin as “the three Emperors were devout, and so were the more warlike of the British Cabinet”.
* 1922 Hitler reveals true religious beliefs in 1922 speech when he says: “My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter”.
* 1939-45 Pius XII (1939-58), “Hitler’s Pope”, turns blind eye to religious atrocities committed by Nazis against Jews during WWII. 6,000,000 Jews die under Hitler’s orders in human catastrophe allegedly inspired by Martin Luther’s pamphlet, Jews and Their Lies.
* 1941-5 60,000 Orthodox Christians, Jews and Muslims are massacred by fanatical Catholic “Ustashi” soldiers under Croatian leader Ante Pavelic (1889-1959).
* 1951 Witchcraft as crime is finally removed from English statute books by British Parliament.
* 1991 – 2008 Christian countries, lead by the US, invade Muslim Iraq. Violence, both militaristic and economic, continue through 2008. Millions die.
* 2000 Archbishop of Canterbury George Carey criticizes Western society for worshiping wealth just weeks before media reveals UK Anglican Church earned £4.4 billion in 1999. Media reports UK Anglican Church owned shares totaling over £20 million in military tank and helicopter manufacturer, GKN.
Welcome, everybody, to the religion of love and peace.
While I could go all day on evolution and how we all came to be, that’s not seemingly your focus here. What I would like to address is your long history list. While it is unfortunate that there have been so many people to start conflicts and wars in the name of God, for people to be hatefully intolerant in the name of God, amongst other things, they are in the wrong. God will punish them for that. Also, God, and any good Christian, doesn’t want to see people go to hell, but Christ gave us the choice to go to heaven, all we have to do is believe. And all the evidence you want to talk about for science, was jump started by the Church, and when you look at the hard evidence, it lends credence to Christianity’s creation, and disproves evolution. Evolution is the most twisted thing in science, if something doesn’t match up, a new theory is created to make it match up. But now I’m rambling into evolution anyways.
Point being, there are lots of greedy, misguided Christians, doing the wrong thing in the name of God. Don’t lump all of us into that. There are also many more good things than bad that have been done through the course of history. We’ll be praying for you.
Shawn, I challenge you on several things.
1. Where is the list of good things that has been done in the name of Christianity which even comes close to comparing to the list of evil things?
2. Where is the evidence that disproves evolution?
3. Where is the evidence that science was “jump started” by Christianity instead of held back for 1000 years?
4. What makes you so sure that you have the authority to declare that 1700 years of Christian leaders weren’t true Christians? Do you somehow have a superior understanding of Christianity to the people who have built and run the religion for the last 1700 years?
The main reason for this long list of Christian crimes against humanity can be found inside the Christian bibles (OT and NT). They are inherently violent and intolerant books. They both declare that anyone who doesn’t bow down before their murderous, vengeful god should spend eternity in torture – “hell”. The very basis of the religion is “you’re either with us or you’re in hell”. That is the very essence of intolerance.
Cameron,
You are so disingenous, it verily defies description.
> If someone believes in slavery, should I be tolerant of that belief?
We are all aware of your high IQ as you include this in your profile, so why would you make such a patently idiotic comment?
How about this comment instead:
If my elderly parent goes to church to pray for the souls of lost loved ones, to pray for peace and to refresh the soul and self worth, then shall I call in Cameron Reilly to step in and destroy it?
That’s more to the point. As an atheist and someone who was not educated inside the religious based system, you have absolutely no idea what is truly involved. I am also an atheist, but I thank my religious education for giving me a moral compass.
Shall we discuss your moral compass (or lack thereof)?
Shall we discuss the size of the chip on your shoulder for not having had a private school/religious education…? Because I think that is the source of all of this faux rage. That’s pretty shallow and transparent- even for you.
Your absolute cowardice at attacking ALL religions is breathtakingly hyprocritcal. You are in effect playing on the tolerance of 99% of Christians. Christians were put to the lions once upon a time, now it seems they are put to the sword of a web startup CEO with delusions of grandeur. Have a crack at Islam once to show your balls.
There is nothing wrong with believing in God. It does not mean you are delusional, it simply means you wish for something more than we have her and now. One could argue you are deluisional for thinking TPN matters or makes a difference at all.
Get back to sorting out TPN- it’s more your thing.
I love people who call me a coward and disingenuous but then don’t put their name on their comment!
You don’t bother to explain why my slavery comment is idiotic? I was pointing out that not all ideas should be tolerated. I include Christianity (and all religions) in that category.
Sure – let’s discuss my moral compass or lack thereof. And then let’s compare it to the moral compass of a religion which has been used as the justification for the murder of millions of people over the last 1700 years, has held back scientific progress and continues, today, to tell people it’s okay to believe in fairy stories and ignore the evidence.
I love how you mention Christians and tolerance in the same sentence. The very essence of Christianity is INtolerance. Believe in Jesus or go to hell. That’s the key message of Christianity. Go ahead – tell me I’m wrong.
As for wishing I’d had a religious education – oh please. I had enough intelligence to walk away from my Catholic religion at the age of 8 when I heard the priest say “we are all born sinners”. What a dark, twisted and dangerous concept. And you think I secretly wished for another ten years of that kind of bizarre, demeaning teaching?
There is EVERYTHING wrong with believing in God. It does mean you are delusional. Believing something to be true, when there is zero evidence to support it, is the definition of delusional.
From Wikipedia: “Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental illness that involves holding one or more non-bizarre delusions in the absence of any other significant psychopathology (signs or symptoms of mental illness).
Indicators of a delusion
1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
3. Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely.
8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.
9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
10. Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.”
Sounds pretty right to me.
Wishing it was true or wanting it to be true – that’s one thing. Even saying it might be true, I could accept that. But believe it TO be true, despite the lack of evidence, is just stupid and dangerous.
If you want to debate me in future, at least have the decency and courage to use your name.
I will simply ask you to go read a book, not not the Bible, rather a book by Tim Keller called “The Reason For God” which has a stylish website including podcasts at http://thereasonforgod.com
Thanks,
Matthew Delves
Matt, thanks for the link, I’m watching the video on his site now. I’m already got problems with his initial statements that people who have troubles with Christianity do so because they have alternative spiritual beliefs. That’s not my problem with it at all. My problem with it is that it is dangerous and not based in critical thinking. He also suggests that Christianity makes more sense of life than “anything else”. Come on. Christianity, which is based on bronze age mythology, makes better sense of the world around us than science?
The guy already has a huge credibility gap. That said, I would like to read a book that tries to justify Christianity. If anyone can recommend an intelligent one, I’d happily read it.
I would ask you to put aside any biases then. I do admit that it is common of Christian, myself included, to hold to everyone having some form of beliefs. I’m also well aware from conversations with yourself over twitter and with others who hold similar views that such a view puts up a barrier.
The book I suggested is one of the most well thought out books I’ve encountered. It is culturally relevant in that it addresses many issues common today.
One book that Tim Keller does reference is Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.
If you want a taste of what he says, then listen to a couple of the mp3 files on the site as it is the same material in the book.
Thanks,
Matthew Delves
Just by the way, I note the mention of Witchcraft being removed from the statute books by the English in 1951. The State of Victoria didn’t do that until 2005.
Matt – okay, will do.
Daniel – hehe yeah I seem to recall that.
“Christianity has been guilty of more intolerance and violence than any other belief system in human history.”
Wouldn’t you agree that Atheism got off to a good start though under the Communism of Lenin and Mao?
Matt, the difference between Christianity, Atheism and Communism is that the last two don’t prescribe violence and intolerance, so you can’t really blame the atrocities committed by Stalin and Mao to the system of government or philosophy. Christianity, however, has violence and intolerance at its core – Matthew 25:41.
I only challange you on one point.
From the time the Christian church aligned itself with the Roman Emperor Constantine in the early 4th Century, right through to modern times, Christianity has been guilty of more intolerance and violence than any other belief system in human history.
Really. Don’t tell that to the millions that have perished under Stalin, Mao and in Cambodia and every other atheistic system known in the last century. The numbers from
1914-1980 far exceed anything your so called Christians ever dreamed of doing.
This from people who did not believe in invisible beings. They just used reason carried to its final conclusion.
Chuck
Add up the millions killed during the Napoleonic Wars (all Christian nations), WWI (started by Christian nations), WWII (UK, Germany, USA, all Christian nations – yes, the Nazis were Christians) and the US/UK invasions of Iraq in 1991 and 2003 and you’ll soon find that the numbers dwarf Stalin and Mao.
As I said earlier – the difference between Christianity, Atheism and Communism is that the last two don’t prescribe violence and intolerance, so you can’t really blame the atrocities committed by Stalin and Mao to the system of government or philosophy. Bad people who commit murder under secular or communist regimes do so because they are mad.
Christianity, however, has violence and intolerance at its core – read Matthew 25:41 and Matthew 13:49.
Can we really compare atheism to religion? Atheism/Theism are too answers to the question: Do you have a belief in god? Neither of these positions prescribe any action. Now when we get to religion we are grouping a number of supernatural schemes or systems under one banner. When we et to specific religions we have rules, dogma, pre- scripted activity, pro-scripted activity inbuilt hatred of other systems or peoples. The same could be argued for political systems. So you can’t pin deaths or violence on atheists or theists for that matter, but you can trace it to dogma or ideology.
“WHO ATTEMPTS TO CONSTRUE A PERSONAL VIEW OF GOD CONFLICTING WITH CHURCH DOGMA MUST BE BURNED WITHOUT PITY 3/25/1199 PAPAL BULL INNOCENT II”
this pretty much sums up catholic FAITH and eXplains wHy & hOw caTholicsim and iSlam has Thrived for all these centuries ..
Centuries of BLOOD~Shed, Manipulation & eNforced IGNORaNCE & violence and comPlete HELL and Nightmares for any who disagreed with these so called religions.
caTholicsim & iSlam boTh have orIginate from viOLence and Thirst for poWer & conTrol.
caTholicsim & iSlam boTh can bE yOur best frIend when they are not in the majOrity ….
BUT look at the countries and regions WHERE THEY ARE IN THE MAJORity …..
EVERY CATHOLIC *&* ISLAMIC CONTROLED REGIONA ON THE FAcE OF THE freaKin planet…..is a A filthy, disgusting, or morally corrupt LAND. …and a cesspool of slaverY AND SADNESS..
GOD BLESS AMERICA…WHERE ER CAN BE WHO WE CHOOSE WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT AND LYNCH MOBS….TRYING TO MANIPULATE OUR LIVES..
LETS WORK TOGETHER TO KEEP THE U.S.A.
OUR COUNTRY…..
LET US NOT E.V.E.R . FORGET
For THEY wish that it were not so
but the smell of truth lingers in Catholicism’s documentation & the in lingering remain of rotten fruit
The catholic CULT indeed —- HAS NEVER ever….once ….!
.( in 1600 yrs.. of fake Christian roman –tic – ism , Allowed a single NON CATHOLIC Bible believer to enter in, into the gate of its heaven/.
There is not A SINGLE Non catholic saint ……Catholics teach…..If u aint CATHOLIC, U AINT IN HEAVEN
Their own fruit displays this for their own DOCUMENTED TEACHING LIVES ON…
reX will precede TO PRESENT THE FOLOWING FACTS…But these facts will not interest & will not alter or EVEN enter into the catholic mind, whom they will precede to read & JUST pass the proven facts like gass in the wind.
“ It is Necessary to salvation that every man should submit to the
Pope.”
(Boniface VIII Unum Sanctum, 1303.)
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Heretics CANNOT Gain ETERNAL LIFE Unless They GIVE UP THEIR FAITH & BE United With the CATHOLIC Church All …outside the catholic church, Jews or heretics…cannot share in eternal life ……
……and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church.
Pope Eugenius IV, in “Bull of Union with the Copts”, Council of Florence, Session 11, on February 4, 1442.
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‘Heretics / NOT MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ….. DO NOT HOLD TO CATHOLIC DOCTRINE) & worship a GOD WHO IS A LIAR, & CHRIST WHO IS A LIAR.’
St. Augustine, (quoted in ‘Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Series Graca’, by Fr. J. P. Migne, Paris: 1866, 42:207).
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MISGUIDED PEOPLE attempt TO PERSUADE themselves & others THAT MEN ARE NOT SAVED ONLY IN THE CATHOLIC RELIGION, but that even heretics may attain eternal life.’
Pope Gregory XVI, Summo Iugiter Studio (On Mixed Marriages), Encyclical promulgated on May 27, 1832, #2.
‘HE who HAS NOT the Church for his Mother CANNOT have GOD as HIS FATHER.’
St. Cyprian: (Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Series Graca, Fr. J. P. Migne, Paris: 1866, 4:502)
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‘HERETICS do NOT have THE SAME GOD, the SAME CHRIST as CATHOLICS.’
Tertullian: (Patrolo-giae Cursus Completus: Series Graca, Fr. J. P. Migne, Paris: 1866, 1:1216)
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‘Any baptized PERSON who…obstinately DENIES or DOUBTS any of the truths PROPOSED for belief by divine & CATHOLIC FAITH, is a HERETIC.’
Canon 1324-1325 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/3543/heretic.htm
‘Whoever ‘obstinately’ DENIES these (Catholic) truths, the DOCTRINAL commentary of Pope John Paul II says, falls under the censure of HERESY.’ Our Sunday Visitor, Analysis, July 19, 1998.
Whosoever will DEPART { From the CATHOLIC Church } must NEEDS be FOUND with HERETICS.’
St. Cyprian, The Epistles of Cyprian, Epistle LXXIII, #11.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/PATRISTC/ANF5_8.TXT
Why seek reconciliation from Rome ?
rome is responsible for 2 Holocausts/ participating the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of the early christians and then went on to join Hitler in WW 2 in the Holocaust of THE JEWS..
jews want nothing from Roman Tic Catholics who are an insult to the fabric all biblical truth / all historical moral value in concerns to The early Christians and the Jews up to the 20 th century.
The catholic church is the enemy to the Child…..
CHILDREN are defenceless
The Jews can defend themselves Today…..
But children can not defend themselves,.
THEY are innocenT , virgin, UN KNOWING & clean from perversity …in many many sences…
But just because the Jews can defend themselves BY
acTive reminding the HORRID the CHURCH of ROME has acTed out on JEWS
WHO SIMPLY disagreed…..Jews do not aGREE with catholic Teaching & they speak about it ..
Rome does not like this….
Pius IX, declared in 1871 that by rejecting Christianity, Jews had become ‘dogs’
and that ‘we have today in Rome unfortunately too many of these dogs, and we hear them barking in all the streets,
and going around molesting people everywhere.’
Pius IX’s antisemitism was not confined to his vivid invective. He was also a passionate
In 1871, addressing a group of Catholic women, POPE Pius said that
the Jews ”…. failure to believe, they have become dogs” (emphasis in the original.).
”We have today in Rome unfortunately too many of these dogs,
and we hear them barking
in all the streets, and going around molesting people everywhere.”
This is the pope beatified by John Paul II in 2000.
Catholic FATHER John Chrysostom – 344-407 A.D., ,”The Jews, worse than wild beasts … lower THAN VILE animals.
AT the level of the lusty goat and the pig.
I hate the Jews … I hate the Synagogue … it is the duty of all Christians to hate the Jews.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sourc…tom-jews6.html
Jerome – satanic Father of the Cat holic church Produced the L
atin translation of the bible which became the ROMISH 4 th century bible.
He said ,
“Jews are incapable of understanding scripture
and should be severely punished until they confess the true faith
In 1233, Pope Gregory IX satanic Father of the Cat holic holic church established the papal Inquisition South France & Northern Italy To convert of Jews to CATHOLICISM.
The men were to wear the yellow sign on their hat, and women on their uncovered hair. To prevent the Jews from giving themselves airs,
they were forbidden from riding in carriages or buggies.
Jews were not allowed to keep shops or warehouses outside the ghetto/..
This has been Going on for 2000 yrs….
THIS IS JUST a tiny SMALL eXample of Hate & vile treatment of HEBREWS by the ROMAN tic Catholic church
Children should be supervised WHEN in the company of these demons..
If you must allow your principles to lower to aTTend Catholic Pornea . & pagan Roman- tic blasphemous saTire
WATCH YOUR CHILDREN at every MOMENT….
Just 70 years ago ROME & Catholic Italy had just attacked & launched a massive, hellish WAR on its neighbors.
Butchering & murdering Millions & MILLIONS of innocent peacefull people…JUST for not JOINING up with HITLER ~
for NO REASON…… MURDERING Thousands of Africans, Egyptians , Greece & others …
ROME & Catholic Italy had JUST Joined up with Hitler,
IT took 22,000
{ twenty two thousand}…..]
US American tooops DYING, IN ITALY, for
the USA to defeat Catholic Italy….
~~~~~~~~~Millions of Catholics IN Germany & Italy….. murdered Millions of OTHER CATHOLICS & Non Catholics round the planet..
Simply for not joining up with The Catholic Hitler..
This was just 70 yrs ago…..
we can understand why and how catholics are feeling lonley or different from other religions.
Muslims are going throught the same eXact thing today..
As were we are at war with islamic terrorists ,,,,
We were at war with Catholic terrorists and nazis
in WW ll.
We can only pray for catholics and muslims …
We must never { as bible believers } resort to their traditions of force conversions and violent attacks upon NON catholislamics.
Prayer and love is all we can do for them…