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Of course we evolved from Apes! Don’t be stupid! Thats what God intended to happen! 😉
Molly
funny he didn’t have them guys that wrote that book include that in the Genesis story then Molly!
You don’t listen to Father Bob, do you? He doesn’t make anyone do anything! We all have our own free will to do what we want. Any, were did the apes come from? (oh, and when you finally get the infinitly lower form of matter that was needed to create everything, let me know where that came from!!!!!!!)
😉
Molly
oh ok Molly, so you are saying that the bible was written by men and had nothing to do with God? There’s an interesting place to start a conversation!
And to answer your question, all of the matter in the universe came from the big bang.
oh and by the way, there is no evidence to support the theory of “free will” either. Everyone knows that.
What caused the big bang and what caused what caused the big bang? (you catching on yet?)
(just for interest sake is there evidence to disprove free will?)
Molly
Molly, the big bang was caused by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, everyone knows that.
And, yes, there is plenty of evidence that disproves the idea of free will. Let me share with you “Cameron’s Free Will Test” (TM).
1. Describe to me, in detail, the process by which you create a thought.
2. Stop yourself from creating any thoughts for a period of 60 minutes.
What caused the big bang is the same argument as who created God. Both don’t go far.
As for free will. Isn’t it said that God is omnipresent, being in the past, the present and the future? Therefor he knows who is going to hell before they are born, hence condemning them before their birth. Doesn’t sound much like free will to me.
I don’t know if they don’t go far as both a viable and ultimately unproveable. To be honest I don’t really know and in many respects I don’t really care. I think the best thing christianity gives us is the thought that we should treat one another the way we would like to be treated. The rest is just(as I would expect Fr Bob to say) part of the show for the punters!
JMTC
Molly
Actually Molly, one is within the realms of proveability, because it is a scientific theory and the other is just an idea some people like to believe in because it makes them feel good. You should care. A lot. This is about truth. If you don’t care about truth, what do you care about?
When you are mentioning the two realms, are you talking about science and god or are you talking about the FSM and god?
On your last question, I would answer it by saying if I don’t care about the truth (as far as where everything started (i.e. even before the big bang and what caused the thing that caused the big bang, etc)), I care that people should try to treat each others as they would want to be treated. Now if some one named Jesus (who may or may not have been the son of god) said this or someone just made it up for their own reason, lets face it, if everyone followed that basic rule, you could forget about all the rest of the crap that gets discussed and that the “church” puts in place as it would no longer have any relevants to anything.
JMTC
Molly
I voted! #23! Yah, those 4 others listeners do SUCK!
Molly I don’t think any of us will disagree that treating other people well is a good policy. But you don’t need religion for that. You don’t need to believe in supernatural beings to do that. In fact, terrible things have been done to people in the name of Christianity over its two thousand year domain BECAUSE the Christians believed in their God and their feelings of moral superiority.
BTW, Jesus wasn’t the first guy to say ‘be nice to people’ either. Go read the Bhagavad Gita. 🙂
or anything on Buddha for that matter.
Cam, no arguement from me in, theory. Unforntunately in practice people don’t always understand that you should be good other people just because its the right thing to do. As you say, even if they are meant to believe some “supernatural beings” still don’t do the right thing (and by the way, I am not saying that I do the right thing all the time either). But if some do the right thing because of it, whats the harm? Lets face it the ones that did all the bad things in the name of Christianity were going to do bad things anyway. And I guess in me saying that it goes against the arguement that some do the right thing because of it.
To be honest the main thing I wanted to bring up is the fact that there is no evidence of God, if you take into account the fact that he is meant to be all seeing, all knowing, and all doing, super power (for want of a better phrase), he could easily make it that way! Whether you believe this or not is up to yourself and to be honest, I am not sure the answer myself.
JMTC MLCOTI
Molly
And Molly’s last post sums up my feelings about God. There is no scientific fact or basis of God existing now or ever. The Bible was fiction created by Christians 1000 years ago to justify the killing of millions of people. Unfortunately it still exists even know and something worse has happened because of it, TV evangelists robbing gullible people of their money in the misguided belief that they will go to heaven and have a personal conference with the Big Guy. I have more chance of meeting George Bush in the Oval Office, just so I can call him a tosser.
On more important matters, and wondering if Rob Irwin will see this, but does the Apple decision mean that bloggers are now mainstream media?
But Tony my point is this. If a podcaster goes out and kills a whole heap of people or rips people off and does it in the name of podcasting or for there podcast, does that mean that all podcasters are bad or that podcasting itself is bad? No. It means that person was bad!
Molly
(D’OH! I wasn’t going to add another comment)
I am not saying all Christians are bad either or Catholics or anyone who believes in a God. People are entitled to believe in whatever fantasies they wish to. When they provide scientific proof then I may believe.
As I said certain people used religion in the old days and currently for their own nefarious purposes. Not all pople who believe in a God are like that, and I have friends who believe and make for some interesting discussions when I feel like tormenting her when I am bored 😛
Good article on the Timor Sea gas dispute over at Harvard Asia Quarterly http://www.asiaquarterly.com/content/view/33/43/ (not sure when it was published though)
Also has info on a similar thing occurring between Indonesia and Malaysia http://www.asiaquarterly.com/content/view/160/43/
Tony my point is that you could argue that its impossible to prove god exists unless he wants to be discovered. The problem with that is if there is no God/Gods, thats unprovable as well!
Its a mystery!!!!!
Molly
Hey Cam, great show again. Really enjoying G’day World. I’m just disappointed i only joined at episode #119. Wish I’d been around since #1. Cheers, Nathan.
Hey Nathan welcome to our little party. 🙂
Matt, good articles on East Timor. Thanks for finding!
Good thing about podcasting Nathan is you can go all the way back to episode 1 if you wish and listen Cam and Mick the Sock Puppet (a lil G’day World hmour)
Molly, if “podcasting” was a religion or a cult and the head of the religion/cult was saying “yeah it’s okay to kill people if they don’t listen to podcasting” then… yeah, podcasting would be evil.
And that’s exactly Christianity’s history. The guys at the top of the Churches (Catholics, CoE, Protestants, you name it) for most of it’s 2000 year history have been corrupt, evil, and have condoned massive acts of murder and violence.
Funny, I thought a cross was at the top of churches!
You know my feelings on the idea that there is a top of the church!!!! I am with Fr Bob. Its flat due, there is no top! The church you talk of is your church not mine!
Molly
Ok if God did create the earth and the universe…..why did he not create more planets, at least in our solar system capable of life. A God’s power comes from worshippers, if he wants to be an all powerful being then he would have created as many planets in which to have worshippers from that he could.
Also if he did create Earth why would he allow people o preactice other reigions or have wars. Wars mean the death of people usually which therefore again reduces his worshippers and therefore means he is less powerful.
Without worshippers you can not have a God.
God created the universe…that’s as good a theory as flying Spaghetti MOnster anyways.
Speaking of their is a census due soon, should we try and get it made a new recognised religion like the push for Jedi was last Census.
Hey Tony, Who said all that about god is true? Thats just one belief!
Molly
I note you didn’t comment on my omnipresent statement Molly.
“As for free will. Isn’t it said that God is omnipresent, being in the past, the present and the future? Therefor he knows who is going to hell before they are born, hence condemning them before their birth. Doesn’t sound much like free will to me.”
I believe this is at the heart of the Bible, and in all honesty, is the one argument that a Christian always ignores. It’s THE fundamental flaw in the book: that God is all knowing and present throughout time, and so he gives life to people he has already condemned. That doesn’t sound like a nice God to me.
(This question because I don’t know the answer not that I am having a jibe) Does it actually say that he is in the future?
If god is all knowing, doesn’t mean that he is in the future or that he knows everything as it happens?
Also Saying that he is present (to me anyway) is saying that he is everywhere at once, doesn’t say he is in the future.
Also if you want to quote the bible (dangerous thing for you to do as I never said that it was a book of fact) doesn’t it say in the bible that good gives us free will? So either you choose to believe what you want to believe or you don’t believe in which case you can’t use any of the arguements because you don’t believe them!
Also on the hell thing, I always get confused with it because as I understand the story (believe it or not is up to you) God sends his only son to earth to die so that we can all be saved. It also says that he forgives all of us. Doesn’t this mean no one goes to hell?
To be honest I go back to the fact: Treat each other as you would want to be treated! The rest is just a show for the punters! Wheres Fr Bob when you need him?
Molly
That’s my point Molly. The Bible is fiction, and yet Christianity holds to it like it is the “truth.” It is “God’s Word” after all.
Having said that, now I have to question whether you are actually a Christian? If you are, you seriously need to go back to Sunday school! Christian faith is based on accepting Jesus before you have the right to go to heaven. Everyone who does not accept Jesus is condemned to hell. Jesus Molly, that’s Christianity 101. You can’t seriously argue for Christianity if you don’t know the main reason people have it as a belief.
There are several references in the Bible that suggest that God is everywhere, including throughout time. That’s why I point out that Christianity is flawed, not just the Bible. I don’t believe in the whole load of poppycock. I have my OWN values, because I have confidence in myself, and don’t need to follow/blaim/rely on a religion.
You see this is the problem with your argument. When people argue FOR evolution they subscribe to the LITERAL meaning of what science tells us. However, Christians always hide behind an infinite number of translations of their faith.
What do you actually believe Molly? You don’t need to be Christian to treat others as you would want to be treated. Any Buddhist will tell you that.
Correct Rich, I don’t need it. My past (which included christian teaching) put the idea to me but do I need it now? no.
I am still very open to the idea that there is a god and that there was a jesus and perhaps he was the son of god. The thing about the bible is that although god may or may not have influenced it, it definitely was his own hand (if he has one) that wrote and therefor it is flawed (in that people that are flawed (like myself, I mean that I am flawed not that I wrote the bible)).
As a management lecture liked to say “Theorys are great but you put people into them and they will stuff it up everytime”.
I am equal open to the idea that there isn’t a god.
I still come back to the point what was the original egg that started it all (or is that the orginial chicken that started it all?). Can you explain that to me? No. Then god is still a possiblity. Also if you say that god is so powerful (as you yourself argue), isn’t it possible that he could reveal as little or as much of himself as he wants and therefor even trick us into thinking things about him that are just not right?
Also on seeing into the future (and the idea of having a way to know what happens into the future today) is a tricky thing that to me is almost as an impossible thing to think of as is what came first (see above).
On what my main religion is? Have Cam ask Fr Bob what he thinks from what he knows about me! 😉 In fact if Cam has listened to Fr Bob all these shows, he should be able to answer today!
Molly
PS. This has been fun.
On a serious note, Cam any chance of doing a ScreenCast of how you use Google Notebook? If you don’t have a program and don’t want to pay for it, have a look at camstudio. What you are talking about sounds interesting.
Molly